What Are We Really Afraid Of?

In this episode, Nick Jorgensen and Rick Pop explore the often-hidden role of fear in leadership, especially within the church. Drawing from St. Thomas Aquinas and Scripture, they examine how fear can disguise itself as prudence, pulling leaders toward safety and the status quo instead of bold, Spirit-led mission. They also discuss how fear surfaces in team dynamics, conflict avoidance, and organizational decision-making, and they challenge every leader to prayerfully discern where fear may be holding them back from the boldness God is calling them to.

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